Making Classes Fun and Engaging for Young Learners

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[00:00:12] Hello everyone, welcome to a brand new episode of ESL Talk. I'm your host Faye.

[00:00:34] And I'm Daniel, and welcome to this week's episode where we're going to be talking about how to make classes engaging and fun for young learners.

[00:00:44] Yeah, great. We're very excited to dive into this topic. I am at least because I'm not the expert here.

[00:00:50] But we're going to have Daniel sharing his experience and we're also going to have our special guest, Yan Wang.

[00:00:57] She's the co-founder and CEO of Fun Class, which is a special new service, an app for people teaching young learners.

[00:01:06] And I'm very excited to learn more about it.

[00:01:08] It's going to be great.

[00:01:10] Yeah, and Daniel, I'm actually looking forward to hearing your experience.

[00:01:14] So you have more experience with young learners.

[00:01:18] We're talking about being engaging and fun.

[00:01:20] How do you find that that is different from teaching adults?

[00:01:24] I think the biggest difference that I found, so I taught elementary school for two years and I realized, wow, you need a lot of energy.

[00:01:32] So I think the energy level is very, very different.

[00:01:36] And, you know, I know you don't teach young children, Faye, but I know you have young children and it's very energy sapping.

[00:01:43] It's very draining mentally and can be also a lot to think about.

[00:01:49] So I would probably say that you have to have a lot of energy.

[00:01:53] You have to be able to adapt things.

[00:01:55] You have to be able to, you know, have lots of things to keep the students busy.

[00:02:00] So the principle I always had is like keeping their hands busy.

[00:02:04] If their hands are busy, then they can't be doing things they shouldn't be doing.

[00:02:07] So it was a lot of physical activity, a lot of TPR.

[00:02:11] So singing, dancing, writing, acting, all those little things.

[00:02:17] And, you know, you can do that to some extent with adults, but I don't think adults love to sing songs and do nursery rhymes.

[00:02:24] I mean, some of them might, but not in my experience.

[00:02:27] So I think the biggest difference is kind of how you plan a class, more activities, making it as engaging as possible and trying to make it a little bit more physical as well.

[00:02:40] The goals probably don't need to be as focused as they would be in an adult class.

[00:02:47] You know, it's more about getting them to be familiar with something or get to grips with something or start to use something.

[00:02:53] So I think those are a lot of differences.

[00:02:57] Again, you know, it's really difficult teaching children when you start out because you feel like, oh, I've planned all these great activities and I've planned all these great games and it's going to be amazing.

[00:03:08] And it doesn't always go that way.

[00:03:11] So keeping them engaged, keeping them motivated, keeping them switched on is great.

[00:03:14] And in our interview today with Yana, we'll learn a little bit about fun class, which kind of aims to do some of those things.

[00:03:21] Yeah, because I feel like you need to have a lot of tools in your toolbox, right?

[00:03:26] Like we all do for adults as well.

[00:03:28] But I feel like the impression I have is that with teaching young learners, you almost have to have more because you just got to have more backup, more backup, more backup.

[00:03:38] Exactly.

[00:03:39] And I guess over time you kind of learn which activities are kind of true and tested and that will work for most cases.

[00:03:48] Yes.

[00:03:48] But how then, in your opinion, could all those skills you have, all those tools you have, how could they transfer to an online environment?

[00:03:58] Do they transfer?

[00:04:00] Do you find that there's some things that you can do better or worse?

[00:04:04] Yeah, I have taught young learners online as well.

[00:04:08] And I find that it needs to be, you know, it's the same kind of principle as an adult lesson or an older learner.

[00:04:15] You need to have an interesting book.

[00:04:17] You need to have a way to get them interested in the lesson and, you know, trying to make it as, you know, engaging and interesting as possible.

[00:04:26] So asking them questions, you know, what is this?

[00:04:29] What do you think this might be?

[00:04:30] What does this mean?

[00:04:31] What does this look like?

[00:04:32] What color is this?

[00:04:32] So you're just tweaking the questioning.

[00:04:35] And then during the lesson as well, you shouldn't do any one skill for more than maybe five or six minutes at a time.

[00:04:42] So, you know, for example, I've made the mistake to writing things, you know, we're writing the letters of the alphabet or we're practicing the shapes or whatever it is.

[00:04:52] More than five minutes, you know, young learners tend to lose focus and lose attention.

[00:04:57] So switch it up.

[00:04:58] Okay, we're going to do ABC.

[00:04:59] Okay, now we've done ABC, let's do some reading or let's do, let's talk about this or let's watch this video or listen to the song.

[00:05:07] And then you can go into the next part.

[00:05:09] So breaking things up is really nice as well.

[00:05:12] I think that's key.

[00:05:14] And then also during the class, lots of feedback.

[00:05:17] So lots of opportunities to practice for them to make mistakes and to get feedback.

[00:05:20] I think those are really important as well.

[00:05:23] And then having a reward built into it.

[00:05:26] So if it's a game, if it's something, you know, I usually always have a game waiting and I say, okay, 10 minutes more and then we have a game.

[00:05:33] We can do this game or that game.

[00:05:34] You can have a choice.

[00:05:36] You can choose the game you want to play.

[00:05:38] That worked really well for me.

[00:05:40] And then the homework generally was kind of half fun and half like academic focused.

[00:05:47] So it would be like, you know, if you're doing the letters, okay, we're doing the letters to spell these words or, you know, something that you're interested in.

[00:05:54] Or you tell me, you know, a movie that you love.

[00:05:57] Okay, we're going to do your favorite superhero.

[00:05:58] I'm going to write some sentences.

[00:05:59] So those are the ways that you have to tweak it and tailor it.

[00:06:04] The same as any class, you know, you need to have a goal and you need to be able to meet the needs of the learner.

[00:06:10] It's just something that's done in a little bit more of a relaxed way and not as focused a way.

[00:06:16] But again, as long as they're showing those skills and demonstrating them, that can be really, really helpful.

[00:06:20] So online, using the right tools, which we'll talk about, being engaged and also going like not being scared to go back to certain things and having the ability.

[00:06:32] Okay, let's go back.

[00:06:32] Let's look at it again.

[00:06:33] Let's check it again.

[00:06:35] And sometimes taking a break, like students ask me, like, what is this?

[00:06:38] And I'll just pause for a second.

[00:06:39] I'll say, let's take a look together.

[00:06:40] Look at a picture of this.

[00:06:41] Here's what it is.

[00:06:42] Here's what it looks like.

[00:06:43] So those are some techniques that have worked well for me also.

[00:06:47] Yeah.

[00:06:47] Now, what about the physical component of interactivity?

[00:06:50] Because when you have face-to-face classes, it's easier, I guess, to give the students the marker to go up to the board or have them work together and draw on a piece of paper together and stuff like that.

[00:07:04] Do you know of any tools that do that?

[00:07:08] Have you used anything that was successful?

[00:07:10] Because I tried using even the Zoom tools with my adult students and so glitchy and a lot of learning.

[00:07:19] So in an academic setting, I've used Teams, which doesn't really have that much functionality for young classes.

[00:07:26] When it comes to Zoom, like you mentioned, it's not the best.

[00:07:29] Sometimes it works.

[00:07:31] Sometimes it doesn't.

[00:07:31] And teaching the learners how to find those tools and how to navigate them can be really tricky.

[00:07:36] So there isn't really anything that I feel does the best job of that.

[00:07:42] Also, co-browsing and co-sharing, you don't have that facility on Zoom.

[00:07:47] So when you share your screen, it's just one application or one web page.

[00:07:52] You can't actually do things together.

[00:07:54] Just you, yeah.

[00:07:55] So some of those tools, they're okay, but they're not the best.

[00:07:59] So I would always suggest trying to find another tool.

[00:08:03] But that kind of brings us to what we're going to talk about today with Jan, which is Fun Class, which kind of tries to put all of those elements into one tool.

[00:08:13] And again, there's no perfect solution.

[00:08:17] So it's going to vary depending on your students.

[00:08:19] But the good thing about Fun Class is it does kind of put into play a lot of these elements to make it as easy as possible.

[00:08:25] So you have almost everything you need, hopefully, which is why we're really excited to talk about this today.

[00:08:31] Cool.

[00:08:31] Yeah, let's bring her on.

[00:08:46] So hello.

[00:08:47] Welcome, Jan.

[00:08:48] We're very excited to have you here with us today.

[00:08:52] Hello, everyone.

[00:08:53] Hi, Daniel Faye.

[00:08:54] It's great to be a guest here on your podcast.

[00:08:56] Yeah, we're really excited to talk to you about how to make classes engaging and fun and also talk a little bit about your project, which is Fun Class.

[00:09:03] But before we get into that, Jan, could you tell us a little bit about your background and what inspired you to co-found Fun Class?

[00:09:10] Yeah, sure.

[00:09:11] So just to introduce a little bit about my background, my name is Jan and I'm originally from Shanghai, China.

[00:09:19] And I'm an online tutor for eight years.

[00:09:22] I teach mainly Chinese students, primary and secondary school year.

[00:09:26] And the reason why I co-founded Fun Class is actually from my own tutoring experience.

[00:09:33] I was mainly using Zoom or Vogue, which is Chinese counterpart of Zoom.

[00:09:38] They're mainly for business conferencing, right?

[00:09:41] It's not for online tutoring.

[00:09:42] So I find quite challenging and frustrating to engage my young learners using this kind of platforms.

[00:09:50] Since I also teach a lot of group classes, it's very easy for the student to get distracted because there are not many interactive tools to keep them focused and motivated.

[00:09:59] So at that moment, I had this idea of using some gamification features or functions to make my students more engaged.

[00:10:09] So I was looking for some other alternatives.

[00:10:13] However, unfortunately, I didn't find anything that matches my imagination of an ideal platform.

[00:10:20] So at that moment, I thought, well, if I can't find anything that suits my need, why not creating one by myself?

[00:10:28] Because I am the educator.

[00:10:30] I have all of the insights about the pedagogy and the tools I need to better engage my students.

[00:10:37] The problem is that I'm not a developer.

[00:10:39] I am a very skillful and experienced tutor, but I'm not a developer, so I can't make the platform by myself.

[00:10:49] So that's why last year I had the opportunity and I would say a great adventure to find a perfect technical co-founder to embark on this journey together.

[00:11:05] And now it's been one year and a half.

[00:11:08] We are building Fun Class together and just been an amazing journey.

[00:11:12] We've met so many amazing tutors and other people like you both here.

[00:11:18] So, yeah, that's kind of my background and a story how I co-founded a Fun Class.

[00:11:22] That's amazing. And it's great that you kind of took matters into your own hands.

[00:11:28] Now, what are some of the key principles you believe are essential for making classes engaging for young learners?

[00:11:33] So you mentioned there's a huge gap in that with the platforms we had before.

[00:11:37] So what do you think those needs are and how does Fun Class achieve that?

[00:11:42] Absolutely. So one of my key beliefs is that we need to make learning more fun in order for young learners to learn better.

[00:11:51] Right. Because for the young learner, their attention span is relatively shorter.

[00:11:54] So it can be really challenging for them to just sit in front of the computer without doing anything interactive.

[00:12:00] So that is the key thing, like to make online lessons more interactive, more playful, etc.

[00:12:06] So that is number one. And that is exactly what Fun Class focused on.

[00:12:10] We use a lot of interactive tools, gamified features, etc.

[00:12:14] to get lessons more visual and more exciting for the kids.

[00:12:18] Just to give an example, we have a gamified interactive quiz, which features the students fighting a virtual monster by answering the quiz questions.

[00:12:29] So it's really fun for the kids when they get the questions right, they get the points and then they can attack the monster.

[00:12:36] And then if they go wrong, then the monster will attack their pet.

[00:12:39] So that's kind of one example of using gamification to make the learning more fun and engaging for the kids.

[00:12:46] And I feel like another principle, which I hold very valuable for my tutoring is to use a lot of like a collaboration activities, especially when it comes to group learning.

[00:12:59] Yeah, because the students, they learn best when there are some peers around them.

[00:13:05] So they can actually have that sense of community, peer support as well.

[00:13:10] And they're actually more engaged with other children in the lesson.

[00:13:14] So again, like on FunClass, we have the interactive whiteboard for the students to collaborate together, maybe like to draw together or to do something, writing an article together, etc.

[00:13:25] So yeah, I believe collaboration is another great tool to get students more involved in the online learning.

[00:13:33] Those are great, great tools.

[00:13:35] And not just for young learners, I feel like.

[00:13:37] Yeah, I was going to say.

[00:13:38] Even for adults.

[00:13:38] Yeah, what would you say would be the ideal age range for FunClass?

[00:13:42] Is it more younger learners, slightly older?

[00:13:44] Like, what do we think are the ranges that we could use this with?

[00:13:46] Well, we started with young learners because that's the gap I identified, right?

[00:13:50] And also that's my students' age, like usually 8 to 12 years old.

[00:13:55] So I would say FunClass is best for students' age of 6 to 12.

[00:13:59] That being said, we do have a lot of adult students.

[00:14:03] Yeah, using FunClass.

[00:14:05] And guess what?

[00:14:06] The oldest learner on FunClass is 17 years old.

[00:14:10] Oh, wow.

[00:14:11] And as an old lady, she still gets very excited when she gets points, the rewards from the lessons.

[00:14:18] And she feels, wow, this is like very different from any other platforms I've ever used.

[00:14:22] And for an old lady of 17 years old, she still finds it very user-friendly.

[00:14:26] Yeah, she's not very techie, right?

[00:14:29] So she can be a little bit challenged when it comes to some very technical platforms.

[00:14:34] But she finds FunClass very easy to use because, yeah, we are trying to be very user-friendly for young learners.

[00:14:41] So like, let's say as young as 5 years old, they can still use FunClass independently.

[00:14:45] And as old as 70 years old.

[00:14:48] That's really nice.

[00:14:49] Very cool.

[00:14:50] And I was going to ask as well, this idea of, you know, having a, starting out with an egg and evolving into a pet.

[00:14:55] Like, where did that idea come from?

[00:14:57] And why do you think that's such a, you know, why do you think that resonates with the learners so well?

[00:15:02] Yeah, I don't know whether Daniel and Faye, you have heard about Tamagotchi, this game?

[00:15:07] Oh, yeah, of course.

[00:15:08] Yeah, very popular when I was a teen.

[00:15:11] Yeah, go ahead, sorry.

[00:15:12] No, yeah, it was very popular here in Brazil even when I was a teen.

[00:15:15] Oh, right.

[00:15:16] Speaking of Tamagotchi alive.

[00:15:17] This word actually comes from Japanese, which means egg.

[00:15:21] Tamago, that means egg.

[00:15:22] So that's one of the popular games when I was a child as well.

[00:15:26] I remember I cried so much to beg for a Tamagotchi when I was like 10 or 8 years old.

[00:15:35] And I got my first Tamagotchi when I was a child.

[00:15:39] And I think even though nowadays 20 years have passed, still this kind of pet development game is very popular among kids.

[00:15:46] And that's where this idea came from.

[00:15:50] Why not using a pet development game as a visual representation of students' learning progress?

[00:15:56] Because when the pet is growing, that means the students' learning is also progressing, right?

[00:16:02] So the students can only get the points or the food from the teacher when they show some real progress or efforts.

[00:16:09] So that's kind of a visual representation of the students' learning journey.

[00:16:14] If the pet is growing, that means their ability is also growing.

[00:16:17] Yes, I feel like that's a very good way, one way to give the students more fun and also responsibility since they have to take care of the pets, right?

[00:16:25] They have to feed the pet constantly.

[00:16:27] And secondly, it's a visual representation of their learning progress.

[00:16:31] That's awesome, yeah.

[00:16:33] And can the students go in between classes, after classes to check on that pet and maintain that kind of nurturing process?

[00:16:40] Is that something they can do?

[00:16:42] Yeah, so during the lesson, the students cannot engage with the pet.

[00:16:47] The only thing is that when they get the points or the rewards, the pet will pop up on their window cheering for them.

[00:16:53] Hey, congratulations, you got a certain amount of points.

[00:16:56] I'm so proud of you, right?

[00:16:58] So that's kind of like support from their pet as a learning companion.

[00:17:02] But since the lesson is still focused on learning, students cannot do any playful games with the pet.

[00:17:08] Unless the lesson is over, then they can go to the pet dining room to feed the pet using the food they just earned from the lesson.

[00:17:16] Yeah, so all of these fun things are more like after lesson reward, whereas during the lesson, it's more focusing on learning.

[00:17:24] Because for fun class, we really, really want to strike a balance between game, fun, and also learning.

[00:17:31] Yeah, we don't want the lesson to be distracting, right?

[00:17:34] Yeah, great.

[00:17:35] And now, speaking of that balancing and all the challenges that may come, how do you handle challenges such as maybe varying attention spans or different learning styles when using fun class?

[00:17:48] That's a great question.

[00:17:50] So in terms of retaining students' attention, fun class actually has a function called attention tracker.

[00:17:57] So how it works, basically, it tracks the focus of students' screen.

[00:18:01] Okay, so let's say right now the students are using fun class for a lesson, right?

[00:18:05] But during the class, for example, they're distracted or bored, they go to another tab or go to another app for more than one minute.

[00:18:13] Fun class can detect that, and then it will give the teacher a notification saying that maybe Yan might not be paying attention.

[00:18:22] So 5 HP deducted.

[00:18:24] So it has some consequence for the student's pet if they're not focusing.

[00:18:28] Yeah, but the pet will lose life if they don't focus.

[00:18:32] So actually, it's a very powerful tool to make the student constantly focus in the lesson because, yeah, it's some consequence for their pet, right?

[00:18:41] And they have the responsibility for taking care of pet.

[00:18:45] So they are very focused now in my lesson.

[00:18:48] So I feel like that's one of the game changer features for me as a tutor.

[00:18:53] Since I started to use fun class, none of my students dare to look at other screens.

[00:18:59] Well, and I think also it might be not just that, the punishment side of it, but it's good for the teacher to know that they're losing interest.

[00:19:07] And then maybe it's time to move on to a different activity or something.

[00:19:10] Exactly. That's so important when it comes to online learning because you cannot see the student's screen, right?

[00:19:15] You have no idea what they're doing.

[00:19:17] Sometimes the students might be focusing, but actually they're looking at another screen.

[00:19:21] They're very good at acting sometimes, my student.

[00:19:24] So fun class gives the transparency to the teacher, yeah, to tell them when a student might not be focusing.

[00:19:31] So the teacher can immediately call back attention of that student if that happens.

[00:19:38] Love it. It's a really, really unique way to kind of get the attention of the students and even just notice that because, like you said, with a group class or with a few students, you might not notice it right away and it might be too late.

[00:19:49] So that's a really great tool as well.

[00:19:51] Yeah. And what advice would you give to teachers who might be struggling to keep their young learners motivated and interested in their classes?

[00:19:58] What are some other strategies or techniques that you found would work really well for them?

[00:20:02] Yeah, I would say definitely use more interactive activities in the lesson.

[00:20:07] So, for example, I know a lot of teachers are using Genually.

[00:20:10] It's a web app for the teachers to create some interactive slides, right?

[00:20:14] So instead of a PowerPoint, Genually enables the teachers to create some drag and drop or click activities, et cetera.

[00:20:22] So it's not just a mere screen sharing, but the students can actually engage with the teacher to click on the buttons, to drag and drop on the screen, et cetera.

[00:20:31] That works extremely well when it comes to young learners because they really want to do something with their hands, right?

[00:20:38] So that's kind of the nature of young learners.

[00:20:40] They learn best when they are engaged with some hands-on activities.

[00:20:46] So that's what I find super helpful in my tutor.

[00:20:50] And I see a lot of other tutors are using this kind of tools to engage the learners.

[00:20:55] So on FunClass, we have this co-browser feature, which enables the teachers and the students to go on any website to play games or to use any other websites to interact with each other.

[00:21:08] So, yeah, a lot of teachers are actually using the co-browser function of FunClass to go to these websites, yeah, to make their lessons more interactive.

[00:21:15] So definitely, yeah, this kind of more interactive activities and lessons, even using the whiteboard, right, to play games together.

[00:21:22] So draw on the whiteboard, like Pictionary, the students can draw something and the teachers can guess the word, et cetera.

[00:21:30] It can also be a very fun activity for the students to do rather than just sitting in front of a computer without doing anything.

[00:21:38] Yeah, definitely.

[00:21:39] Yeah, that's good because that's usually what we miss from the face-to-face interaction is that, you know, those activities or those moments in class where everybody gets really hands-on with the teacher and everything else.

[00:21:49] So yeah, I like that co-browsing idea.

[00:21:51] I like co-browsing as well because I think a lot of teachers, again, they generally stick to just presenting slides or presenting some material on the screen.

[00:21:59] And again, you don't know really if the student's engaged, if they're following, if they're really understanding.

[00:22:04] So this concept of co-browsing is also really, really helpful.

[00:22:07] This is great.

[00:22:08] So, Yan, how can our listeners connect with you?

[00:22:11] How can they find out more about Fun Class?

[00:22:13] What can they go to maybe learn a little bit more about it?

[00:22:16] Yeah, sure.

[00:22:17] So the easiest way to reach out to me is on LinkedIn.

[00:22:20] So you can just type Yan Wen, W-E-N-G, that's my surname, and they can find me on LinkedIn.

[00:22:26] And if you want to learn more about Fun Class, you can just Google Fun Class and then you will find us.

[00:22:31] And we're also active on different social media platforms like YouTube, Facebook, Instagram.

[00:22:38] So if you search Fun Class, you can find, yeah, a lot of resources.

[00:22:42] And if some of the teachers are interested in learning more about Fun Class, we do have a lot of tutorials, demo videos on YouTube as well.

[00:22:50] So you can see by yourself how the platform works.

[00:22:54] And speaking of that, I just want to highlight that Fun Class is not just a virtual classroom.

[00:22:59] It is a comprehensive everything in one platform as well.

[00:23:03] So it includes homework management, feedback collection from the students, feedback sharing, like teacher report for the students, scheduling as well.

[00:23:13] And next year, we're going to integrate payment system as well.

[00:23:19] So teachers can actually directly get paid on Fun Class by the parents.

[00:23:24] Yeah.

[00:23:24] So Fun Class aims to become everything in one platform so the teachers don't need to subscribe to dozens of different softwares.

[00:23:32] Our ideal dream is to really just use one software that can save the budgets of the tutors to make affordable and also saving their allot time.

[00:23:43] So that is kind of the game changer we're trying to become.

[00:23:48] That's great.

[00:23:49] Yeah, I remember when I started online teaching, it was overwhelming to think of all the different things I had to sign up for and pay for and learn to use.

[00:23:56] That's right.

[00:23:57] Now, if our teachers are interested in getting started with trying Fun Class, how do they do that?

[00:24:04] Do you have any offers you can share with our listeners here?

[00:24:07] Of course.

[00:24:08] So at the moment, Fun Class offers a 30-day free trial.

[00:24:12] So anyone who is interested in Fun Class, you can directly sign up for free and then test it out with your students to see how they react to this new platform.

[00:24:23] And of course, I think for your podcast, our listeners can use our discount coupon to get even more cheaper price.

[00:24:35] Yeah.

[00:24:35] For Fun Class.

[00:24:36] Amazing.

[00:24:37] Yeah, we'll drop that link below the episode description.

[00:24:39] So you can just give that a click and get started for free and try it out and see if it's for you.

[00:24:44] And that would be hopefully a really useful tool for our teachers to try and to experiment and hopefully really give their teaching business a kickstart in 2025.

[00:24:53] That's awesome.

[00:24:54] Yep.

[00:24:55] Thank you so much, Jan.

[00:24:55] Thank you, Jan.

[00:24:56] We really appreciate it.

[00:24:58] Thank you, everyone, for listening.

[00:24:59] And we are looking forward to the next podcast with everyone here.

[00:25:04] Great.

[00:25:05] Great.

[00:25:05] So thank you, Jan, one more time.

[00:25:08] That was very interesting and a new tool for us to try out.

[00:25:12] And if you are interested in trying it out, like Jan said, right now you can get one month free trial.

[00:25:18] And if you use our code ESLtalk, you get 10% off if you do the site to sign up.

[00:25:24] So maybe this is your sign to give it a go.

[00:25:28] Yeah, I think so.

[00:25:29] So, you know, I was really excited to learn more about this tool because, like I said, it kind of solves all the problems that we discussed.

[00:25:36] Helps keep your learners engaged, keeps them motivated, gives them things to do between the classes.

[00:25:41] The homework is there.

[00:25:41] And it's totally free to try for a month.

[00:25:44] So, you know, nothing to lose.

[00:25:46] And hopefully it helps kind of meet the need and fill in that gap that you might be looking for.

[00:25:50] And if you out there do try it out, send us your notes on it.

[00:25:54] Let us know what you think about it.

[00:25:56] Absolutely.

[00:25:56] Any feedback you may have for Jan and for us.

[00:26:00] That would be great.

[00:26:01] Alrighty.

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